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:+fav: Introduction


What am I talking about?

Faving art is REALLY important for artists. To get their Art view and get more expozure!
deviantART is just the most wonderful Art Community in the cyber world. Most of us have strong ties with this site and their Admins. This Community knew through the years how to built a vivid, creative and wide site!

Faving art as well as devwatching a deviant allow the artist to continue his work, improving etc. That's our way to show an artist we love him, we love his creations and that we SUPPORT him!






:+fav: "Disable Fave" Option, Why?



:pointr: Into deviantART there are clubs that have developed a lot and keep this Community more alive and creative, spreading the love and the support, via thematic clubs.

When you submit your own creation to dA, you have several options that can be found in your submission page, see at the bottom.
You have a scroll box that allows you to choose if you want to "Allow Comments", "Discouraged Comments", "disable Comments", and "advanced Critics".

I'm asking for the same option for the FAVES.

:pointr: Why?

First View these useful F.A.Q.'s :
- :faq216:
- :faq764:

As I previously said Faving Art is really important for the artists. But how can it be useful if the piece is faved in a club's gallery?
All Clubs put the link to the Original Creation in the description and make a reminder of this Policy : NO FAVE INTO THE CLUB.
All support should be directed to the artist.
A Club's Gallery is here to expoze the work, not to be popular!


I'm an admin for several clubs, in charge of submissions and Fave/Unfave notes.
You can't imagine how many faves we have. Clubs' Admins pass their days to send notes to the deviants who faved the artwork in the wrong place according to each club policies but also to fair use of art.
Sometimes we get angry answers and even insults in return.
We gently try to explain the people that there is no "Disable Fave" Options... Many deviants ask the Club's Admins to put such Options, but we are just clubs admins and NOT dA admins.

:pointr: And BTW if a single artist wants to disable to Fave Option (for scraps for example or anything else!) like the Comments, it's our free will!
There is also the fact that most deviants don't appreciate to get their art faved into clubs and not on their account (mostly because of lack of knowledge and non reading of the rules reminded in the club's deviation itself). We the single deviants usually send notes to these persons.

That's the reasons why i've created a Poll.


Before the poll i thought that for single accounts, this feature will not be used so much, and that's why i wanted to get your comments! I could not exepect that this option would be so useful. As some suggested : for scraps, ID's or stamps made by others, for creation submitted for contests for example, or WIPs, Details, Before & Afters etc. I've seen many other reasons for using this tool (if one day it exists i hope), so i really wish dA will create it!
I still gathering your opinions, suggestions, votes & comments. I'll then send a summary of this.
Definitely it seems that this options would be far more useful than we could think!!!





:+fav: Express Yourself : the Poll


I've set up a Poll. Express Yourself in the poll, give your opinion!
Pro or Cons. With or Without suggestions. Do not hesitate to write down your comments, suggestions in the poll!

What we ask is to get a scroll box near/under the "Comments" Box Options with several choices as : You have a scroll box that allows you to choose if you want to "Allow Faves" & "Disable Faves", were "Allow Faves" will be the default Option. Or a check Box "Disable Faves".


Remember this Options can be used by clubs but by Any Deviants!
We Do Not ask for a specific Option for Clubs, but for EVERY account!

And please We're not here To flame nor any deviant (we all make errors) nor dA! We are just asking for a new feature (yes yes we ask a loooooooot to dA! :love:).
Show your love to this marvelous Community! Suggestions help improving.




:+fav: In addition...


Here's a topic related to this one.
Do we need specifical clubs accounts?
It will be a really good thing if dA recognized clubs. Really.

Many clubs do important acts. There are charity clubs, diseases, artistic clubs. They help the community growing but above they are a TIE between all deviants.
We are a family, here at dA, and clubs have a big responsibility in this.

Another topic to debate. Soon...


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in my alive and living dreams.
I've a melancholical soul...
i wander away and here.
maybe.
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one day, or another.

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:iconliamythesh:
Liamythesh Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think it should definitely be an option. I can't express how agonizing it is to see tons of :+fav:s every day on my gelatinous cube pixel animation while all the actual art in my gallery just kind of gets ignored.
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:iconwolffboy:
Wolffboy Featured By Owner May 25, 2008  Hobbyist General Artist
Being Moderator to several groups, it can be frustrating spending one's day sending notes to people asking them to remove the fav and give it to the original artist. So in favor of the poll, Yes!!! We most definitely need it!

Granted, there have been a few occasions that I myself have made the mistake and favored a deviation and have gotten notes from the Moderators, and I don't mind that, but do they have to be rude or even down right arrogant with the messages they leave? Some have even posted comments on the front page belittling the person! I think that the removal of fav on clubs/groups is a necessity not a want and there should be an etiquette guide for the Moderators as well.

Thank you for letting me vent.
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:iconkaremelancholia:
karemelancholia Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2008
For sure, time to time it also happens to me to fave devs into club and i usually un fave htem immediately... so even for all of us this option will be very useful!

:kiss: Kare.

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gatogirl12345 Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2008
It is quite annoying though. I actually proposed an account system where instead of the clubs have to resubmit the artwork, all they do is just fave the artwork...then the club watchers gets notified that the club faved an art piece...but instead it would appear as a devWatch thing linking to the art piece of the individual's account...

I heard that there has been a ' Parties ' system idea going around...but no news yet...:hmm:
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:iconkaremelancholia:
karemelancholia Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2008
Yep! the most would be to create specifical clubs accounts where all faves will be RE-Directed to the original piece!

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:icongatogirl12345:
gatogirl12345 Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2008
Even that is fine...

I really hope the Parties system is being worked upon... :(
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:iconthejack-jack:
TheJack-jack Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2008  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
en voilà une idée qu'elle est bonne ^^
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:iconkaremelancholia:
karemelancholia Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2008
merci ;-)
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:iconchanceruk:
chanceruk Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hope you don't mind but I have put a link to your poll in my journal, keep all the votes in one place!

Fingers crossed :)

:hug:
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:iconkaremelancholia:
karemelancholia Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2008
Nope i don't mind dear!
you'r ereally welcome. those initiaves should be really useful!!!
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:iconladyjinx:
LadyJinx Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2008
Another post, forgot to mention this...

When I update my journal, I'll put a link to this journal in my journal!

:heart:
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:iconkaremelancholia:
karemelancholia Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2008
:kiss:
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:iconladyjinx:
LadyJinx Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2008
I support this. They should make one. You know how people make gift art for a certain person and five people fav it and don't even comment? -_- Or like clubs who ask nicely to not favorite the art submitted and go the original which is linked... or it's a deviation made by the deviant that's very special to them and they ask nicely not to favorite it but 5 people end favoriting it and don't even comment...

Yes, they should do this option!

We should petition!
:w00t:
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:iconkaremelancholia:
karemelancholia Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2008
Sure at first sight we could wonder why this option? But in fact it would be useful!

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:iconinsect-lovers-club:
Insect-Lovers-Club Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2008
Done! I put a link to this in the journal of the club!
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:iconkaremelancholia:
karemelancholia Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2008
:kiss:
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:iconleocbrito:
leocbrito Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2008
Great, great and great! I will put a link to this poll in my club *Insect-Lovers-Club to help with this! :heart:
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:iconkaremelancholia:
karemelancholia Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2008
thanx a lot!!!!!!!!!!!
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:iconnyokirrr:
nyokirrr Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2008
Oui, dans le cas des clubs, c'est mieux de rediriger ver la déviation sur l'acompte de l'artiste.
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:iconkaremelancholia:
karemelancholia Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2008
certain oui :kiss: de rien pour le feature tu est TRES talentueux!
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:iconthemysteriousk:
TheMysteriousK Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2008
First I was sceptical about this feature, but reading your piece I can understand it if some people don't want scraps or WIPs to show up elsewhere.

What I don't understand is why clubs don't use the fav feature instead of re-posting their material - it's far quicker, easier and any faves and comments will be directed to the right place automatically. If you've submitted to a club that's there to encourage advanced criticism, it will also be far easier to keep up with comments etc. And because there's a bar "SoandsoClub's Favourites" above the deviation, it will still be possible to navigate back easily.
The only (minor, I think) downside to this is that you'll get a fave counted that's not really a fave. To solve this, a "none-counting (club)fave" or "shadow fave" could be the solution - but it's not going to happen as long as DA keeps - mistakenly in my opinion - ignoring the club phenomenon. :(

Still, for the sake of the people who want to keep their WIPS and Scraps to themselves, I'll vote "Yes".
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:iconmedusa92:
Medusa92 Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2008   Digital Artist
:idea:you have the right idea i think =TheMysteriousK
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:iconkaremelancholia:
karemelancholia Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2008
You're right. But listen. People submit their work to clubs to get comments, critics, more expozure etc. Of course the clubs put in the descritption under the deviation the original link and name of the artist. the problem is that MANY DEVIANT DON'T READ COMMENT. Many think that the club is not a club but a single artist. You understand where is the problem? Many people come to fave a deviation when they see it on the first/home page od dA and don't care about who made it, they click on fave. And so the artist will never get the correct fave comments etc.
you're right to say that dA should recognize a bit more clubs. Your suggestion about a "shadow fave option" is really interesting. really.
Clubs just try to give more expozure to the original artist.
:kiss:
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:iconthemysteriousk:
TheMysteriousK Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2008
Oh, understand that. I'm a club member of several clubs myself, and I know the problem of people not reading comments.

What bugs me is why clubs themselves don't think more out of the box than they do. If you use the Favorites gallery to place the club material (e.g. just fave the material instead of re-posting it) and ignore the club deviations gallery, this particular problem becomes non-existent. Any comments or faves for the material will go automatically to the right place, because visitors will see the original deviation on the members own page, not a club-repost.

I'm member of a club for advanced critique (~Critique-Central) and there the club gallery is in the faves; I wouldn't want to have it any other way. I don't have to check all my work residing there (which would be difficult anyway, because a non-admin doesn't have access to the Club messages, so you would have to check the art piece by piece for new comments), all comments and faves end up on my own page, and I get told about them by my own Messages section. Even if the club would be deleted for some reason, I'd still have the faves and comments given to my "club deviations" (which - again - are n fact "club faves"). I only go to club if I have spare time to deliver critique to others.

Compare the work the admins have to to through:
- reposting club material means filling out the upload form, maybe creating a separate, small version of the artwork, create a link to the original work, adding the necessary warning about faving and commenting - and as you say - it can STILL go wrong. Oh, and hands up everybody who does see the warning but thinks "oh, why bother" and doesn't fave or comment after all - neither at the right place nor at the wrong.
- faving the prospective clubmateral is as simple as clicking on a link in a note, then simply pushing the fave-button, and Bob is your uncle.

Still, I'm all for a optional fave-lock, but before the DA will finally have warmed up to the idea, clubs may want to consider the idea above if they want to save themselves and their members a lot of work and aggravation.
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:iconkaremelancholia:
karemelancholia Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2008
For your first point about the faves gallery, i think i've the answer : Becaus eonce there was a rule sin dA (that still existing i think in the faq) that for the clubs there should not be self-promotion for any owner admin, and that meant that no fave should be done for any members deviation. this part for the fave disapeared sometimes ago from the faq. i really think if dA could recognize a bit more the clubs tall this would be more easier!
Yes all this is such a BIG work for admins.. such...
:kiss:
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:iconthemysteriousk:
TheMysteriousK Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2008
Ah, thanks for explaining. :-)
Re Clubs, I saw the mention of "Groups" somewhere as one of the new features for the coming year, so who knows... With all these clubs thriving, even unsupportedly, it couldn't be spelled out more clearly that they are what the people want. :-)
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:iconkaremelancholia:
karemelancholia Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2008
sure hwo knows. will keep an eye on it.
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:iconinpuupuaut:
InpuUpUaut Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2007  Student General Artist
I hope we can do it!! ^_^
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:icondenisegarbis:
DeniseGarbis Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2007  Professional Digital Artist
I actually think that is a great idea!! This way the actual artist get the favs. Plus it allows the actual artist to choose as well :)
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:iconkaremelancholia:
karemelancholia Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2007
I hope we will get this option!
:kiss:

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:iconredpencil:
Redpencil Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2007
A great idea!
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:iconkaremelancholia:
karemelancholia Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2007
hope we will get this option ;-)
:kiss:

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:iconilusion-island:
Ilusion-Island Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2007
I support the desable fav ideal.

Your Jurnal is gorgeous :aww:
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:iconkaremelancholia:
karemelancholia Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2007
gooo!
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:iconshelldevil:
shelldevil Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2007
Id love to see optional fav disabled. It would mean i wouldnt have to send out "remove the fav from the club submission or ill chew off your balls" notes :lol:

In all seriousness its a wonderful idea :#1:
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:iconkaremelancholia:
karemelancholia Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2007
hehe^^ lol yes this would be great and funny!
:kiss:

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:iconlilac-hime:
Lilac-Hime Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2007  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sounds good to me. :3

It'd be better for it to be an optional thing, instead of a new system specifically for clubs. Afterall, some clubs don't mind favs, or have club-only images and want favs.
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:iconkaremelancholia:
karemelancholia Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2007
the same for single deviants, some don't want that somes of their uploads cannot be faved such as wips, scraps etc.
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:iconalecan:
alecan Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2007
I think this is good not only for clubs but for artists too. You might think that everybody wants favs on their art but sometimes, I've noticed, you don't. On a specific piece. Like if you submit two different versions of a picture, you might want one just to show how it would look with something special, but the picture is otherwise the same, and then you might want to concentrate the favs on one pic - to see how popular it is.

Hope you know what I mean! Nice job you've done with these polls and all! Great initiative!
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:iconkaremelancholia:
karemelancholia Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2007
Yes exactly!!!

:kiss:

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:icondragonspirit-club:
DragonSpirit-Club Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2007
I sooo much agree with you!! :D
You can check my journal, I was so fed up with it, I just had to write a huge rant about it. -..-''
What happened to me? Well, one morning I wake up, decide to login on DA, check the club...then I click on Messages and BOOM! 17 FAVs from one person!! O..O I was like: "WTF MAN!?" the biggest irony was that I finally resubmitted ALL deviations that were previously faved and now I got even MORE favs than it was before :dead: :dead: you can imagine it was the last straw for me...I REALLY REALLY wish there could be a fav disable feature...cause I lose so much time sending notes to everyone to DEFAV, but those notes are either not read at all or they do read them BUT ignore them X_X how annoying is that?
I votes YES on the poll :D and I sure do hope in the near future DA makes such a feature...I mean, it isn't such a big deal AT ALL, just need a little bit of programming and it can be done in a few days sheesh...one lously little feature, that's all we ask
~Draconis
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:iconkaremelancholia:
karemelancholia Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2007
yes it's because people don't read.. We can send all the warning we want the ones who never read and don't care will continue doing like this. So an disable fave OPTION will be really useful!
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:icondragonspirit-club:
DragonSpirit-Club Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2007
yeah :D I posted a link to your journal and poll :giggle: to get more and more people to say that it would be a good idea to have such a feature :XD: maybe DA will reconsider their approach ;)
~Draconis
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:iconkaremelancholia:
karemelancholia Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2007
sure that's exactly what should be done!! i'll soon note the appropriate admin!
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:iconwulfi:
Wulfi Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2007
Great idea! Thanks for doing it so properly and reasonable, not just stating "we want a disable favs-button - BAAD dA!" :D

:w00t:
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:iconkaremelancholia:
karemelancholia Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2007
;-)
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:iconinpuupuaut:
InpuUpUaut Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2007  Student General Artist
Yes, I am sure I will use this if this option exists!! ^_^
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:iconkaremelancholia:
karemelancholia Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2007
;-)
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:iconterrayochi:
TerraYochi Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2007
i thought it'll be really useful for clubs, REALLY REALLY useful... ^^

but, as for deviant, is up to them, but i don't see a reason why someone want to disable fave on his/her artwork...?

overall, i agree with u, giving options for us to choose is a great idea...
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